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Sex, Art and Videotape


"My first thought was, If I'm going to have to sell it, I might as well sell it,'' the artist Andrea Fraser said last week, speaking from a downtown studio. Fraser was referring in a starkly literal sense to her work's medium: a fit 38-year-old brunette in a sexy red V-necked dress, who is in fact herself.

Fraser's videotape ''Untitled'' (2003) was scheduled to go on view at the Friedrich Petzel Gallery in Chelsea on June 10. In it, the artist is seen having sex in what some have characterized coyly as ''every imaginable position,'' with an unidentified American collector who paid close to $20,000 to participate in this curious 60-minute work of art.

As ''Untitled'' begins, Fraser enters a hotel room, her hair swept fetchingly to one side. The setting is standard-issue Hip Hotel: the videotape was filmed, using a single overhead camera, in a room Fraser identified as being at the Royalton Hotel in Manhattan, owned by Ian Schrager. The artist is carrying two glasses, white wine in her left hand and what looks like a highball in her right. The collector enters, and then begins a filmed seduction whose detailed contractual terms were worked out in advance by the artist's gallery. Among the requirements for participation in ''Untitled'' were that the artist's potential collaborator be heterosexual, unmarried and, of course, willing to underwrite the transaction. ''All of my work is about what we want from art, what collectors want, what artists want from collectors, what museum audiences want,'' Fraser explained. ''By that, I mean what we want not only economically, but in more personal, psychological and affective terms.''

It would be easy to conclude that Fraser's intellectual apparatus might have cooled the ardor of the most passionate suitor. That it did not may say less about Fraser's persuasiveness than about the seductive spell that contemporary art-making seems to cast.

For Fraser, ''Untitled'' was, she explained, ''not a literalization of what is, in fact, a very old metaphor, that selling art is prostitution,'' a point that was made with ****y precision by Baudelaire. ''This is not 'Indecent Proposal,''' Fraser added quickly. And it is not -- or not quite.

In Adrian Lyne's notorious (and highly successful) stinker about a billionaire (Robert Redford) who pays for a night with someone else's wife (Demi Moore), Moore says to Redford, ''You can't buy people.'' He replies: ''That's a bit naive, Diana. I buy people all the time.''

There may be some Demi Moore naivete operating in Fraser's work, peering from behind the verbiage of a brand of thinking known as ''institutional critique.'' ''Andrea's work has been about exposing the mechanism of the whole art system,'' explained Dan Cameron, senior curator at the New Museum. ''In this case, she's playing a little bit with what the act really is that takes place between an artist and a collector. It underscores the paradox of ownership and pushes it into a realm that hasn't been so pointed before.'' That may be. But when Fraser remarked that she wanted the transaction underpinning ''Untitled'' to be ''normal to the extent that it could be,'' she was perhaps forgetting that, in any number of ways, it already is. Article 230 of the New York State penal code refers, quite straightforwardly, to the sort of exchange ''Untitled'' immortalizes as prostitution. It is safe to assume that transactions just like it are taking place this very minute in hotel rooms around the world. But those enterprises, unlike Fraser's, lack the frisson of what the art press tends reflexively to call ''transgressive.''

Far from being the first artist to use her body as a medium for producing art or polemics, Fraser is one in a long -- if not in every case distinguished -- line of provocateurs. Back in the 1970's, Carolee Schneemann pulled a paper scroll out of her vagina at a performance, and Hannah Wilke adorned her body with sculptural multiples of vulvas cast in hardened chewing gum. A decade later, the performance artist Karen Finley smeared her naked torso with chocolate syrup and publicly performed acts -- using a yam -- that are not advisable to mention in these pages. For many years, Annie Sprinkle, a sex worker turned artist, gave performances at which she invited members of the audience to examine her cervix through a speculum.

Stunts designed to set art-world sensibilities aquiver are practically a rite of career passage. Who can forget the stir caused when a buffed-up Jeff Koons transformed sexual acrobatics with his wife at the time, the Italian porn actress Cicciolina, into a highly lucrative series of glass sculptures and photographs? Or when the godfather of transgression, Vito Acconci, in his legendary ''Seedbed, 1972,'' secreted himself naked beneath a ramp on the floor of the Sonnabend Gallery in SoHo, muttering obscenities as he . . . well, never mind.

You might have imagined that most people would be inured by now to shock art and accustomed to the notion that works like ''Untitled'' are no more morally challenging than an average episode of ''Temptation Island.'' But you would be wrong. As soon as Fraser's show was announced, the tabloids went on high alert. ''Talk about interactive art,'' huffed the lead item in The Daily News's gossip column, later putting the word artwork in scare quotes, lest anyone miss the point.

The oddest thing about all this is that Fraser is both a savvy and a fairly well regarded artist. (A midcareer retrospective of her work, organized by the Kunstverein in Hamburg in the fall of 2003, is currently on view at the Dunkers Kulturhus in Helsingborg, Sweden.) What's more, she has demonstrated a certain knack for skewering the foibles of the contemporary art world in her pieces, mostly videotapes of performances that hilariously depict her lampooning the bloated lingo of much art critique; the egomaniacal ravings of artists who believe their own fawning press; and the orgiastic cult of museum worshipers.

In her 2001 video, ''Official Welcome,'' taped at a private collector's house, Fraser delivered a monologue that mimicked, as one critic noted, ''the banal comments and effusive words of praise uttered by presenters'' during gatherings intended to introduce avant-garde artists to wealthy patrons. Then she gradually stripped to her Gucci thong and high heels and portentously announced: ''I am not a person today. I'm an object in an artwork.'' Any resemblance to persons living and working under the name Vanessa Beecroft -- who once posed numerous models, some in thongs and Gucci stilettos, some in nothing at all, in the atrium of the Guggenheim in New York -- was altogether intentional.

''This is one of the most complicated pieces I've ever done,'' Fraser confessed to me, laying out her considerable fears for the anonymous collector -- that his reputation might be damaged, his feelings hurt, his identity exposed. If Fraser's emotional engagement tends to compromise a project based on satire and debunking, it also calls up another, older sort of story -- that of the hooker with the heart of gold.

By GUY TREBAY

Published: June 13, 2004 in The New York Times.

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Hey darke, I see that your albanian is getting "rich":p every day.

P.S. By the way, nice picture....is it your bedroom?

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Hey darke, I see that your albanian is getting "rich":p every day.

P.S. By the way, nice picture....is it your bedroom?


cdo dite te tjera e te tjera:p

PS: yes, in your dreams ... why don't you read the text and shut up your mouth, damned pirate!

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Mesazh i vjetėr 20 Tetor 2004 00:20
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Hey Darke...

First of all I owe you apologies 'cuz I thought you were Albanian and I kinda hate Albanian people who pretend to have forgotten Albanian language. This doesn't mean that I hated you, is just that I didn't feel simpathy for you from the beginning .


Anywayz, let's get back to the topic. Interesting work this artist has done. I have a few videotapes of myself performing this kind of art. Do you think that I will have credits in the future for my contribution?

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Mesazh i vjetėr 12 Mars 2005 16:45
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Hey Lord_Of_The_Strings ...

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Lord_Of_The_Strings
First of all I owe you apologies 'cuz I thought you were Albanian and I kinda hate Albanian people who pretend to have forgotten Albanian language. This doesn't mean that I hated you, is just that I didn't feel simpathy for you from the beginning .


Anywayz, let's get back to the topic. Interesting work this artist has done. I have a few videotapes of myself performing this kind of art. Do you think that I will have credits in the future for my contribution?


Pershendetje Lord of the Strings,

Thank you for you sincerity and about your apologies, be happy they are accepted. You are not the first one and I bet you won't be the last It's really curious how usual is that expression of "hate" for the "albanians who pretend to have forgotten Albanian language" in this forum. What if i were an albanian that doesn't know Albanian language, not because i have forgotten it nor i don't want to speak it, but because I just didn't learn it??? will you hate me too? will you insulte me?
if i have Albanian blood, it obligates me to know Albanian language? You people have this "obsession" because of the history of your country, pure blood, pure race.... what should people with mix of races do? kill themselves or become philologists experts in languages of the world, right?

PS: well, I must say something else. In spite of all I say or think, you must know that I'm really impressed for the way to think, feel and be of the Albanian people - I mean people of this forum -. It's really interesting for me and kinda like a discovery of jewel in the mountain - the mountain is internet and the jewel is your culture -.

Getting back to the topic - as you said- of your videotapes, I guess you are or kidding me or being sarcastic with the characteristic of contemporary art. For the first option, I will answer you: be brave and show your videotapes in the forum and I will give you my opinion. If not, please dont make me lose my time. For the second option, I tell you, that you are able to receive credits for your artistic work FOR SURE, but first you have to be able to develop a coherent discourse about your work. Your question is just simply and stupid, cause if you were really an artist you wouldn't mind if you get credits for your work or not.

GOT IT??

PS: if you watch "rruga artistike" you can find a threat with your nick where you can post all your "strings", my Lord Maybe you get a contract with Spielberg for the special effects

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Mesazh i vjetėr 12 Mars 2005 20:14
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Hmmmm....

OK, about the first topic, I don't say that Albanians are OBLIGATED to know Albanian but if we don't care about our language or culture, we will get lost and as I know, Albanian language is one of the rarest languages of the world. Second, I met a lot of people from Albania in Greece who used to live there the latest 5-6 years of their lives and they used to say that they forgot Albanian laguage. That is not acceptable, in any conditions.

About the second problem, about my videotapes, what do you expect me to do? Show my self having sex on the camera? I guess I would be banned forever from this forum so, I guess I will wait for a confirmation for the moment. Then, I may post some nice pictures of sexual intercourse between me and other people ) which I prefere to call it artistic work.

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Very simple....

Nese nje prej moderatoreve mendon se kjo foto eshte ofensive dhe se nuk paraqet nje veper arti atehere fare kollaj e ka te drejten ta heqi.

If any of the moderators of this webboard thinks that this photo is offensive and that this doesn't express a piece of art, simply he/she may remove it.

PS: On the photo is shown Toni, Nick and two nasty b**** from Durresi in a nice hotel at Santorini, Greece.

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Re: Very simple....

You are making the deads to wake up!. But it’s ok. Your photo is as offensive as any other "pornographic photo". Do you consider the photo as "artistic"? Do you consider your photo as porno? We could ask ourselves, when a photo with nude bodies is pornographic and when not? But this is not the point of this theme and I guess nor your intentions with your message. Even I think your photo must be accepted in this forum cause it’s very illustrative example to explain why it could be or not an art work.

First of all, I want you to know that you are not the only one who think that Contemporary Art is a false, easy and ugly art way. But for this exactly reason the Contemporary Art is so paradoxical that even using images and mediums of the every-day life of the common people, it still remains as a discipline of an elite, not able for everybody.
I don’t hope you understand the "ways" of the Contemporary Art, and all this explanation I'm giving to you, because it took me to understand it five years, so I don’t think u can understand it with just a few messages in a forum. However I will try to explain you and all the people who stops in this message why your photo, is not an art work, being the “same” theme as the videotape of Fraser.

If you read your message again, you can realize that YOU consider your photo “offensive” or like something “tabu”. Read yourself again please:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Lord_Of_The_Strings
PS: On the photo is shown Toni, Nick and two nasty b**** from Durresi in a nice hotel at Santorini, Greece.

Well, the fact that you adjetive the bitches like NASTY is offensive. Why they are nasty? Toni and Nick are not nasty as the bitches? Sex is nasty? Well, this is for you to analyze it.

Also, I would like that you read what I write to you, because it’s clear that you don’t. I told u in the last message, that you have to be able to develop a COHERENT DISCOURSE about your work to call or “sell” it like “artistic”. Where is the discourse in your photo? Could u explain to us what do you want to show to the world with this video or photo? (And I tell you that saying how good or hard the guy is fucking the girl is not acceptable like a “art work” )

What makes Andrea Fraser’s videotape a work of art IS NOT the sexual fact that is performancing in the videotape, but the purpose, the discourse that he wanted to show by recording a meeting with a bitch. It doesn’t mean AT ALL that every sexual meeting with bitches is an artistic work.
Marcel Duchamp was the first one to say “art is what I want it to be”. He took a toilet and put it into a museum, but don’t be wrong, it doesn’t mean that all the toilets are an “art work”, even if the toilet of your house is the same as the Duchamp’s toilet. The Duchamp’s toilet is yes a work of art because of all that it represents, because of all the meaning that Duchamp gave to it, because of what it represented in that time in the art's world… You have to have in account all the social, economical, political circunstances that surround every art work, and then you can understand a little bit.

I hope all this clarifies your “artistical” ideas

Bye-bye!

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Hej Darke, do you know what an albanian said about the difference between pornography and erotic? Erotic is like a glass of wine that you drink with your partner, pornographyc is like a viagra

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OMG...

Now I am confused Darkë. I admit I was talking about the girls as 2 nasty b**** but that cannot change. If you see the whole video you will understand why Toni and Nick are not nasty while at the same moment the 2 girls are mor than you can imagine. And about the meaning of the video as a piece of art, I don't watch it from your point of view. If i like my DVD and people appreciate my work on it, if they like it I mean, why shouldn't I call it a piece of art? Because you think so? Nah, thank you . By the way, send me your address and I will send you the whole piece of art. Otherwise I will post a second screenshot from my second video. Not today though, maybe another day 'cuz I am not sitting in front of my computer at this moment. Thank you all. Bye bye...

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